On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:43:37 +1100 Kevin Power
> I'm with you as it sure does get bitchy at times! If it happened on a
> that I run, the offending member/s would get zapped along with their
Unortunately the remote admin of this list does not permit such easy
interdiction. All I can do is remove people and keep them removed.
It is quite clear from the list charter that this list exists for the
purpose of discussing filmscanners. I understand that sometimes
conversations veer off topic, but I expect contributors to exercise
restraint and take OT threads off list if they cannot be kept brief.
Good manners are mandatory. Argument about ideas is fine, personal attacks
If anyone feels they cannot stick to the rules, they have two choices :
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Frankly I have had such a lot of trouble with this list lately, with admin
taking up so much time I seldom have time to read up to date,
let alone participate. 250 bounce mails today, and that after I spent >1hr
weeding dead addresses; complaints from list members about conduct of some
participants; inquiries about getting on or off the list, and so on.
Furthermore the hosting renewal is so expensive that I am beginning to
wonder why I don't just close it.
I would rather not, because it is genuinely useful to a lot of people, but
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Tony Sleep 15 Nov 2001
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