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[filmscanners] RE: What can you advise?



I've tried the ROC and SHO demos and they do what they're advertised to
do.  Nice work!  I can't comment on dICE 'cause I've never used it.

The Polaroid dust and scratch removal software is about as easy to use
as you can get.  Most scans from the 4400 don't need cleanup and when
they do I've seldom had to go beyond the automatic settings with the
Polaroid software.  Works for me, your mileage may vary!

Keep the good stuff coming from ASF!

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I'm too old to die young....

-----Original Message-----
From: filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk
[mailto:filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jack Phipps
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:12 AM
To: bkubiak@attbi.com
Subject: [filmscanners] RE: What can you advise?

Hi Bernie!
You are correct, I am biased. However, if you've ever used Digital ICE,
you'll never want to do without it. Look at the many commercial scanners
(Kodak, Durst, Noritsu, Gretag, Agfa) that ALSO do not tend to emphasize
dust and scratches that DO use Digital ICE. If you want the best results
from any scanner you will want to use Digital ICE. Digital ICE DOES work
with chromogenic black and white. It also works quite well with
Kodachrome
in most cases. In the few cases where there is a problem, there is a
very
effective work around.

There is no comparison between a software solution for surface defect
removal and Digital ICE. The software is very labor intensive compared
to
the automatic method of Digital ICE, and it leave many more artifacts.
MANY
of the images I've scanned would be IMPOSSIBLE to clean up with a
software
solution.

I'm not saying that Polaroid doesn't make a good scanner, they do. I am
saying it will be a much better scanner with Digital ICE.

Thanks for the recommendation for our plug ins. They will improve
digital
images from any source. Digital ROC is especially helpful for scans or
digital camera images that were taken under unusual lighting conditions.
We
helped out a photographer that had taken some important pictures under
sodium vapor lighting using a digital camera (a long time exposure on a
tripod). The results were amazing, it looked as if the images were
captured
in daylight!

Good luck scanning!

Jack Phipps
Applied Science Fiction

-----Original Message-----
From: Bernie Kubiak [mailto:bkubiak@attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:13 PM
To: Jack Phipps
Subject: [filmscanners] RE: What can you advise?

Mr. Phipps fails to mention the Polaroid line of scanners, which <ahem>
don't happen to use his fine software because their design tends to
minimize the production of dust, scratches, etc.  If you have a lot of
B&W negs or Kodachromes, you may wish to consider Polaroid for just that
reason (dICE doesn't work on them).

Polaroid also has dust and defect removal software, which is available
free to folks who purchase their scanners (and used after scanning
rather than during).  I think the Polaroid machines compare favorably
with the others mentioned below, based on reading the posts on this NG
over the last several months.  (Which is why I bought a Polaroid.)

Besides, you can use Digital ROC and SHO on you Polaroid scans if you
find the need, again as post scan applications.

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I'm too old to die young....

-----Original Message-----
From: filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk
[mailto:filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jack Phipps
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:53 AM
To: bkubiak@attbi.com
Subject: [filmscanners] RE: What can you advise?

Congratulations Geoff! It must be exciting to be able to pursue your art
full time. I would recommend a scanner with Digital ICE. It does an
excellent job of removing defects, not just dust and scratches, but film
manufacturing defects that appear in many images. Digital ICE is
available
in Minolta, Nikon, and Benq (Acer) consumer scanners and many other
commercial scanners (Kodak, Durst, Noritsu, Gretag, Agfa, etc). Microtek
recently announced Digital ICE for their flatbed scanners as well.

Nikon and Minolta also offer scanners with Digital ROC that restores
color
to faded images and Digital GEM that removes noise (grain) from images.
Digital ROC is available as a Photoshop compatible plug in as is Digital
SHO. Digital SHO is a valuable tool that helps reveal shadow detail
without
affecting the highlights. Both plug ins are available as a free trial
from
www.asf.com.

If you are used to drum scans, you may want to consider one. They are
available on the used market and even though the technology is quite
old, it
is still the measuring stick used for scanning comparisons.

Good luck with your scanning.

Jack Phipps
Applied Science Fiction


-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Clack [mailto:geoffc@adept-design.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:52 AM
To: Jack Phipps
Subject: [filmscanners] What can you advise?

Hello filmscanners

I am a new list member. Apart from a real interest in scanning (I've
notched up 50 years experience as a photographer and 40 as a graphic
designer) I've joined you in the hope of obtaining guidance in making
a film scanner purchase decision.

At work I generally use hi-res scans from drum scanners so am
undoubtedly fussy. As I near retirement (well, give up the day job)
my hope is to develop my interest in photography and, using Photoshop
etc., combine this with my ability as a painter to produce prints (I
started at Art School as a painter but couldn't see my parents being
able to support me so moved over to a graphic design course. I'll
never know if that was a wise decision - but most friends who
persevered as painters are now international names and wealthy!).

Anyway, as I look through the pages of Macworld, and read the
filmscanners list, I see reviews and mention of a variety of film
scanners (and related problems). So far, to me, no model stands head
and shoulders above the rest.

My spec includes: 35mm, 4000-ppi, Firewire and value for money. You
may know better.

What can you advise?

Geoff.

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