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[filmscanners] Re: Printers

Hi Arthur:

Thanks you -- this is very informative... and much appreciated.

I use the Ted in Olalla signature because there is another Ted on the
Leica Users Group list.

Olalla is not a place in the sense of a town or city -- but it is a very
lovely spot in the road with a very wonderful early history in the
development of our area.  It is Washington State, on south Puget Sound,
a little south across the water from Seattle.

If interested, you can see a few pictures and remarks at my web page --
please go to:  http://www.leica-gallery.net/tedbayer/index.html , click
on folders, then on the Olalla folder.


Ted in Olalla

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Entlich" <artistic-1@shaw.ca>
To: <tedbayer@harbornet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:02 PM
Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Printers

> Gee, another opportunity to me to make an off-topic comment about
> something I wanted to mention anyway.
> If you are serious about making prints that will hold up more like
> photos, you need a printer that makes prints using archival inks.
> HP, other than their original PhotoSmart printers and their large
> units come with inks that usually HP is unwilling to give number on,
> overall are considered to be fairly fugitive, meaning they do not
> up will to remaining in light for more than a year or two.  They are
> probably fine for "album" kept prints, at least for the medium run
> years) as long as they are printed on good paper.  Beyond that, little
> is known about the dark keeping characteristics of many inkjet inks
> haven't been tested long term.  Since the inks are forever being
> reformulated, there basically aren't any long term tests.  The best
> can hope for is either accelerated testing under bright light and high
> temperature (and maybe exposure to known pollutants) or
> of older materials that are revamped into ink components, like
> ccertainpigments which have been used in paints for hundreds of years.
> This brings us to the Epson printer line.  The C80 is the only
> Epson small carriage printer to use pigmented inks OEM (from Epson).
> The inks in this printer are rated for 100-200 years permanence.
> However, as nice as it is, it has what I consider a major defect for
> photo printing.  The colored inks (CMY) are all polymer encapsulated
> pigments.  The black is pigmented but not encapsulated.  They did this
> because the polymer slows drying, and this printer is in their
> line, a replacement of the 900/950, and they wanted it to be very fast
> with black text printing on regular bond paper.
> As a result, you can print CMYK (all ink "colors") when using the
> surfaced Epson papers, which "trap" the inks to make them nearly
> waterproof, due to the paper technology, but the printer driver
> automatically prints only in CMY when it is set up for glossy papers,
> because the black in will literally rub off and smear on the Epson
> glossy papers.  This means the normal glossy printing is done only in
> CMY, making lower contrast and somewhat muddy results especially in
> shadow areas.
> You can trick the printer to use all 4 inks by using the driver set to
> matte paper while printing on glossy, but they you need to "fix" the
> paper by spraying or coating or laminating it, which really defeats
> whole purpose of using a glossy paper.
> Enter the next generation.  Epson has released in Japan and UK (and
> be doing so in the US in July) a new series of printers.  These new
> printers take photo printing to a new level.  Although I haven't heard
> about the smaller version (8" carriage) release date for North America
> the wider one (13" printing width, borderless) is called the Epson
> Stylus Photo 2200.  It uses 7 colors (adding a gray for improved black
> and white printing), has a choice of two blacks, one for glossy and
> for matte, and new pigmented inks with dye like color range, and with
> 75 year expected permanence, designed with photographers in mind.  It
> will print on a number of different paper surfaces as well, including
> Epson art papers (and maybe others) and this new ink technology
> much brighter colors, (according to Epson).
> Anyway, the full press release can be found at:
> http://www.businesswire.com/webbox/bw.042502/221150021.htm
> The only caveat is that Epson will have a strangle-hold on these ink
> cartridges for some time to come, so I doubt there will be refill inks
> available for at least some period.  I don't know what the ink carts
> will sell for.
> I SUSPECT, within the next year Epson, will be announcing at least one
> new 16" printer to replace the 3000, with archival inks, at least I
hope so!
> Art
> PS: OK, Ted, where is Olalla, or is it more a state of mind? ;-)
> Ted Bayer wrote:
> > Hello Scanners:
> >
> > I would appreciate your help.  To stay on topic, I will mention that
> > just purchased an Epson 2450 scanner and need a printer for it.
> >
> > I am considering a couple of inkjet printers and would appreciate
> > hearing from anyone who is using one or the other.  I would also
> > appreciate any suggestions for another brand or model -- I am trying
> > stay within in the $200 or under price range.
> >
> > My main use will be to print colored and black and white prints from
> > scans.  I will usually make the 4X6 and 5X7 size prints.
> >
> > The two I am considering are:
> >
> > HP Deskjet 920c
> >
> > Epson Stylus C80
> >
> > I am told the Epson inks are now more permanent but don't know that
> > be true.
> >
> > Your help and advice will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Ted in Olalla
> >
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