Tom, I'd just like to state that I totally agree that those
threads did NOT belong on the list. I have usually replied to non-scanner
messages off-list. I think that is a good general policy, in most cases.
It is fine to form buddy relationships with people met on a list like
this one, but it does not have to be shared with everyone else. It is
even less appropriate to have a vituperative off-topic contest on-list. I
found those messages a pain.
Hersch
At 06:38 PM 09/10/2001, you wrote:
The 1200 baud modem was fairly
common in 1984. The 2400 baud modem became
common in 1985 or so.
In 1978 when I was in college, 110 baud was the best that we could do
until
they upgraded to a staggering 300 baud.
There were not 2400 baud modems in 1971.
Perhaps arguements would be more useful with actual facts.
I'll tell you. I got back on the list a week or so ago, but these
stupid
pissing contests are about to drive me away. Who cares about modem
speeds
and magnetic tray tables -- particularly the 50 or so posts after
it was
clearly proven to be a hoax. If they have a direct relationship
to
filmscanning, I can't find it. Even the Napster discussion is a
stretch,
but I can at least say copyright discussions can apply to
photography.
Is it always this bad? Should I just give up? I must have had
30-40 posts
from Austin and Anthony today -- all of which should have been
offlist.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Atkielski"
<atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr>
To: <filmscanners@halftone.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Importance of Copyright on Images
> Austin writes:
>
> > Please show proof of a "common" (or any for
> > that matter) 5k+ modem from 30 years ago.
>
> The usual practical achievable speed today is about 33K bps.
Thirty years
ago,
> it was about 2400 bps over slightly conditioned lines, and 1200 bps
over
> unconditioned lines, a difference of about 30:1.
Unfortunately, the need
for
> bandwidth has expanded far more quickly than the capacity of
ordinary
modems,
> which is why broadband is gaining in popularity.
>
> > 30 years ago, modems were barely 110 baud,
> > and they were not modems, they were acoustic
> > couplers. 30 years ago is 1971.
>
> Hardwired modems existed in 1971, and even before. They were
not widely
used
> because the Bell System wouldn't allow it.
>
