I just think users of certain services should be aware how unreliable
they are, because they will never know that mail has gone missing. Whether
or not any of the affected people ever see this is in the lap of their
mail providers, of course.
554 5.0.0 ktrout@hotmail.com... Service unavailable
451 4.4.1 iggy400@hotmail.com... reply: read error from
mc6.law13.hotmail.com.
iggy400@hotmail.com... Deferred: Connection reset by
mc6.law13.hotmail.com.
jdubikins@hotmail.com... Deferred
mipo_14@hotmail.com... Deferred
rgill45@hotmail.com... Deferred
puccibuy@hotmail.com... Deferred
hell_mouse@hotmail.com... Deferred
harrisdarren@hotmail.com... Deferred
donm4lists@hotmail.com... Deferred
ned_nurk@hotmail.com... Deferred
woestman@hotmail.com... Deferred
cdtogo@hotmail.com... Deferred
tkokta@HOTMAIL.COM... Deferred
taylorcomm@hotmail.com... Deferred
ktskts@hotmail.com... Deferred
keithVee@hotmail.com... Deferred
bbvvrr@hotmail.com... Deferred
shannmyers@hotmail.com... Deferred
risedal@hotmail.com... Deferred
affeleng@hotmail.com... Deferred
nimous@operamail.com... Deferred: Connection timed out with operamail.com.
pjbh1@stir.ac.uk... Deferred: Connection refused by clyde.stir.ac.uk.
... while talking to chroma.med.miami.edu.:
>>> RCPT To:<klevay@chroma.med.miami.edu>
<<< 451 MAIL BLOCKED; See
klevay@chroma.med.miami.edu... Deferred: 451 MAIL BLOCKED; See
jv454@msn.com,ilyons@msn.com... Deferred: Connection refused by
smtp-gw-4.msn.com.
A few things to note:-
Hotmail and MSN periodically bounce mail to *all* users. This time around
is merely a deferral, so (apart from ktrout, who's been singled out for
non-existence by Hotmail) nothing will have been lost to those users.
Usually there's total loss due to transient DNS problems - both Hotmail
and MSN habitually vanish from the internet about once a month. I know
because I get the 'no such host' bounce mails in batches of several
hundred.
bigfoot.com does not appear on this list, because it is now so hopeless
that I have had to kick virtually all bigfoot addresses off the list.
Bigfoot now bounces when your POP mailbox contains more than 25 items,
which is inevitable given the level of traffic here.
Orbs/orbl are supposed to only block only open SMTP relays, but this is
NOT an open relay - list mail is sent from a bona-fide mailserver at
punt1.cix.co.uk which does not permit relaying. Orbs is a waste of space,
and its criteria inappropriate : it cannot tell the difference between a
proper mail list and spam, and is just barfing over the halftone.co.uk
'from' address being different from the majordomo address. Duh.
Pathetic mail screening services like Mailmarshall block mails or digests
based on content. EG inclusion of text such as 'my pictures' or an
attached JPEG are invariably interpreted as a worm, and the mail rejected.
This happens rather a lot WRT this list, unsurprisingly, and is just plain
idiotic.
Each of the above generates the return of the original message to me. With
up to 50new msgs a day, that can be a lot of bounce traffic (average =
~200emails/day). I monitor the headers and unsubscribe repeat bouncers. If
the list stops arriving at your address, this is why.
You get what you pay for on the internet as elsewhere. MOST FREEMAIL IS
COMPLETE DRECK AND WILL LOSE YOU EMAILS. A lot of people use freemail
addresses for lists, to avoid spam in the event of their address being
harvested by spammers. I understand this - the 'who' command at the
listserver is disabled to prevent easy harvesting - but am likely to block
freemail providers entirely sometime soon as they are a major PITA.
Please do not discuss here on list. Thankyou for listening :-)
Regards
Tony Sleep
- Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner
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