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[filmscanners] A moribund list



Lauri, you're doing exactly what this guy objected to, nit-picking to
death every little thing he says. Why can't you just let it go? A person
can't say a fricken' thing on this list without being chased to the
hills in nit-picking. This is a sign of decadence, baroque excess, a
list that has become over-mature and ready for the clear-cutters.

And if you don't think there was an implied slam in Arthur's comment
about Morgan owners (my jaws dropped when I read it), you are truly just
as dense as your excessively vague and ponderously long meanderings on
this list. Arthur, Austin, and Laurie, I'm sick to death of all three of
your malignant posts and any day now I, too, will unsubscribe and
concentrate on the far more invigorating dpreview forums. Now THERE'S a
place that has a lot of life in it! I only stick around here these days
to see what lame responses you make to deliberately insulting posts like
this one and Bryce's. At least they're good for a hardy laugh. Whenever
one of the three of you actually tries to address technical issues, I
just reach for the delete key as quickly as possible, because it's
almost always so stubbornly repetitious as to be worthless.

Frank Paris
frankparis@comcast.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk
> [mailto:filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk] On Behalf Of Laurie Solomon
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 11:11 AM
> To: frankparis@comcast.net
> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: filmscanners Digest for
>
>
> > It`s quite possible that he is unaware of Tony`s personal email
> > address, as am I, even though I`ve been a member of this list for
> > perhaps a year.
>
> While a definite possibility, he could always ask for that
> information on list and direct his comments to Tony's
> personal address once he obtained it if his intent was to
> address Tony and not the list.  That no such effort was made
> might serve as an indication of laziness or the not thinking
> of this option.  Thus, one has to assume that Art is correct
> the post was directed to Tony with a CC intended to the list
> so as to try and make them feel quilty or chastised.
>
> > You could say something about Morgan owners? I think you just did.
>
> No, he didn't; he said something about the nature of the
> remark and the intent of the writer of those comments not
> about Morgan owners in general.
>
> > I have never contributed to this list either. I initially joined
> > because I was interested in purchasing a film scanner and I
> wanted to
> > learn about them. My lack of knowledge about scanners and scanning
> > would make any contribution by me at best useless, and at worst
> > counterproductive.
>
> Not true; you could have contributed by asking your own
> questions concerning film scanners and scanning, by asking
> for clarifications of statements that you did not think you
> understood very well forcing the maker of the statement to
> restate the statement in clearer form, and by requesting
> clarification and elaboration of concepts and terms.
>
> > On the other hand, it seems that 80% of the "discussion" on
> this list
> comes
> > from a group of about 10 people. I somehow imagine that there are a
> > lot more than 10 members on this list, so I guess the rest
> of us are
> > nothing more than deadweight and do not deserve to have an opinion
> > this list or its conduct.
>
> You can have whatever opinion of this list or its conduct
> that you want; but you should not be surprised if the 10
> members you speak of do not take it seriously or take it as
> mere whining since you voluntarily relinquished you
> opportunity to alter the discussion or add new topics and
> issues to those being discussed.  If you leave the discussion
> to the 10 people, you cannot complain about what they discuss
> placing responsibility on them exclusively without bearing
> some of the responsibility yourself.
>
> > On the other hand, democracies don`t work very well when faced with
> > filibuster after filibuster.
>
> Yes they do in environments like those of the list where
> there are not time and space limitations on the availability
> and size of the forum or areana.  Online lists and forums are
> of a nature that a filibuster by some (ie., as you use it a
> protracted discussion) does not preculde others from also or
> simultaneously engaging in alternative discussions as it
> might in a formal government where authoritative decisions
> are taken based on organizational rules.  We take no votes
> and make no formal authoritative decisions on issues one at a
> time - if at all. There is no limitation that I know of on
> the number or variety of threads that can be undertaken on
> the list at any given time.
>
>
>
> filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk <> wrote:
> > for
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:38:14 -0700
> >> From: Arthur Entlich <artistic-1@shaw.ca>
> >> ----------------------------------------
> >> I always have to laugh when these kind of postings show up. Not
> >> because they are or are not valid, but because their intent is so
> >> disingenuous.
> >
> > Perhaps, but no less disingenuous than some members here who make
> > oblique references about the ignorance or outright stupidity of
> > certain groups of people and clearly imply that their interlocutor
> > belongs to that goup of people, but then deny that they have ever
> > directly insulted anyone.
> >
> >>
> >> Tony has a private email account, which anyone has access
> to if they
> >> wish to write Tony a personal comment about their view of the list.
> >
> > It`s quite possible that he is unaware of Tony`s personal email
> > address, as am I, even though I`ve been a member of this list for
> > perhaps a year.
> >
> >> This type of public posting is the sour grapes kind.
> >
> > That sort of message seems rather prevalent on this list.
> >
> >> If the person has
> >> a gripe with the list members, the honest thing would be
> to address
> >> the list members.  If he has a gripe with certain list
> members then
> >> he could do that as well, preferably in private mail.
> >>
> >> But what this posting is really about is to play elitist games (I
> >> could say something about Morgans as cars, and their
> owners, but I'll
> >> refrain).
> >
> > You could say something about Morgan owners? I think you just did.
> >
> >> A "Dear Tony" letter translates to "I'm writing the moderator and
> >> owner of this list to express my dissatisfaction with it
> and I want
> >> to make sure everyone else reads it and feels guilty".
> >
> > Ahhh.... so he is addressing the list members, after all.
> At any rate
> > it`S not as opffensive as the "I`m writing to a sizeable
> constituency
> > of this list to express my dissatisfaction with their
> opinions and I
> > want to make sure they read it and feel stupid."
> >
> >
> >> In looking through my admittedly incomplete archives, and
> as memory
> >> serves, I do not recall the poster ever posting a public message
> >>   before. I don't know how long he has been on the list, but he
> >> certainly hasn't been an active participant in a long
> time, if ever.
> >>
> >> Whenever lurkers come out of the woodwork to complain about the
> >> content, or atmosphere of a list, I have only to say, why
> don't you
> >> participate and change the direction or content of the list?
> >
> > I have never contributed to this list either. I initially joined
> > because I was interested in purchasing a film scanner and I
> wanted to
> > learn about them. My lack of knowledge about scanners and scanning
> > would make any contribution by me at best useless, and at worst
> > counterproductive. On the other hand, it seems that 80% of the
> > "discussion" on this list comes from a group of about 10 people. I
> > somehow imagine that there are a lot more than 10 members on this
> > list, so I guess the rest of us are nothing more than
> deadweight and
> > do not deserve to have an opinion this list or its conduct.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Whenever lurkers come out of the woodwork to complain about the
> >> content, or atmosphere of a list, I have only to say, why
> don't you
> >> participate and change the direction or content of the list?
> >>
> >> I may very much agree with the poster, or I may indeed be
> one of the
> >> people he is complaining about, but that really isn't the
> issue. This
> >> list is pretty much democratic.  Tony rarely intervenes,
> and like any
> >> other democracy, it works when people participate.
> Complaining and
> >> walking home is only a valid method of protest after you
> have tried
> >> to make change by participation and still failed.
> >
> > On the other hand, democracies don`t work very well when faced with
> > filibuster after filibuster. It seems like some people here
> have the
> > opinion that whoever talks the longest wins. If it comes to
> the point
> > that you are repeating yourself over and over again (and
> growing more
> > and more imperious with each repitition) maybe it`s time to
> just let
> > bygones be bygones.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > bryce hashizume
> >
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