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[filmscanners] RE: Re:digitising slides

Jack, I think in answering the quetions I asked, you have furnished both a
sense of the fact that the methods you outline are by no means a turnkey
operation that can be accomplished without involving some thought and effort
and a useful detailed description of some of the internal steps and
procedures in the method which were originally glossed over.  Thus, I think
that this discussion has been very fruitful in providing reference
information on the subject; and I thank you for engaging me in the

>I guess my enthusiasm for our products does get a little tiresome for the
list members.

Yes I understand; but you are right.  It does get a little tiresome to
listmembers who may feel like they are getting hit over the head with the
products in response to every question they ask that you respond to.  I have
purchased one of your plug-ins, Digital SHO and tried the other two; I find
that for certain occassions they are or may be useful.  However, I
frequently have to wonder if they are as useful for as many things as you
suggest in some of your posts or if it is just that I do not have the
expertise to use them for those purposes in order to obtain the results you
claim for them.  My main grip is that it APPEARS as if you never reply to
any posts where your products canot be related to the issue.

I think by not responding to more general posts with more general
non-product specific recommendations, you may be harming your own
credibility as a correspondent since many may dismiss your posts once they
see your name without reading them because they think it may be just another
plug for the product.  I do hope this latter comment is not taken as a slam
since it is only meant as friendly constructive criticism. Certainly, your
work in the industry and familiarity with things related to scanning and
digitial imaging which comes from promoting your products should qualify you
to be able to offer more generic advice on subjests not related to your
products which would be of value to all.

-----Original Message-----
From: filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk
[mailto:filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk]On Behalf Of Jack Phipps
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 5:49 AM
To: laurie@advancenet.net
Subject: [filmscanners] RE: Re:digitising slides

Hi again LAURIE--
Thanks for your clarification and questions.

-----Original Message-----


>Apart from your now standard plug for your products, which seems to appear
in all your posts to this and other lists :-),

I guess my enthusiasm for our products does get a little tiresome for the
list members. However, it is something I do know a little bit about. I think
they are valuable tools people should be aware of and at least try to see if
they work for them.

>What I was asking was are there or would there need to be different

Yes. I divide the images into horizontal and vertical, separate and fisheye
lens images (a special script that converts the images into a more normal

There are other separations, but the script is quite complex and along with
the plug-ins corrects for over and under exposure.

Of course any of the images coming out of the script can be further
artistically rendered to provide additional improvement. Portraits could get
additional softening; technical images might get additional sharpening for
example. But in the case of the 400 images, they went into a slide show
without any additional changes.

>Obviously, if one uses your products within the scripted actions, one would
have to know before hand the proper settings for and sequencing of the three
applications before one could include them into any scripted action.

The only adjustments for Digital ROC are additional color corrections, so
the defaults are used.

There are several adjustments for Digital SHO, but for the script the
defaults are used.

The default for Digital GEM could be used, but we bump the highlight and
shadow sliders up to 60% and leave the clarity (softening vs. sharpening) at

>Would one use ROC before SHO before GEM or doesn't the sequence matter?

The order I use is Digital ROC, Digital SHO and Digital GEM. This is because
that is the order I put them in when I use them without scripts. I get the
color right with Digital ROC, bring out the detail in the shadows with
Digital SHO. Digital SHO does not cause an image to be grainier, but when
you bring out the shadow detail, noise becomes more apparent. Then I know
how much Digital GEM to apply.

>Would one use these three applications on each layer individually or in the
end after one has flattened the Photoshop file?

The D100 numbers the images sequentially. The script automatically brings in
the first three images into one image. The script determines how much of
each image to add. Then the image is flattened and the plug-ins are applied.

>Apart from their merit as individual requests for more detail, I think the
above questions indicate that some thought, time, and energy has to go into
devising the scripted actions and into their application.

He may have spent on a day scanning 400 images, but it took him a lot more
time to write the script. There are many scripts for different purposes.
Parts of these were combined to produce the script he used.

I hope this helps!

Jack Phipps
Applied Science Fiction

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